Wednesday, September 7, 2011

Steaming Santorum

Last week, Rick Santorum held an intimate question-and-answer session at Penn State, his alma mater. As you can probably imagine, some college students don't actually enjoy getting santorum all over them. Here's what transpired (via my friend Lisa who texted me about this):



As a (recovering) Catholic, I think it's unfair of Santorum to associate his views with all Catholics. Certainly the Vatican would have us believe all kinds of crazy things, but in the real world there is a lot of liberal dissent within the Church. Plus, you know, he goes to Latin mass, so it's not like he's actually following the official Vatican position either.

But I'm not the only one who takes issue with this video. The American Psychological Association released a statement in regard to their own position on gay marriage. Here it is (via Think Progress):
The American Psychological Association’s position in support of same-sex marriage is based on a body of empirical research concerning sexual orientation and marriage. APA believes that it is unfair and discriminatory to deny same-sex couples legal access to civil marriage and all its attendant benefits, rights and privileges.
Simple. Easy. Nothing about napkins or cars or glasses of water. No whining that a 2000-year-old institution (that is also responsible for the Inquisition, the Crusades, and numerous smaller religious wars, among other, more recent, atrocities) backs them up. Just a sentence about research and a sentence about rights. Done.

You know, I think this pile of santorum is starting to cool.

18 comments:

  1. Wow. I cannot believe the way he treated theoe students who merely had valid questions for him. "Time out! Time out!" ... um, they're not five-years-old, nor are they your children. How rude, unprofessional and inappropriate.

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  2. The American Psychological Association's opinion may not be proof of anything, but certainly neither is the Catholic church's.

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  3. He is a bigot and a smart one. It's also true the Bible has said for 3,000 years that we should have slaves, fathers should marry their daughters, have multiple wives, and kill their children. So?

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  4. His old boss, moderate Repub. John Heinz, would not be too pleased with this right-wing nutjob Gopher Rick turned out to be.

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  5. Santorum is an embarrassment to this great nation of ours, his radical right wing extremist views are a danger to our society

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  6. Anyone notice that Santorum also said that just because the AMA, the American Medical Association, says something, that is not proof of anything? Oh really? The AMA invests heavily in a democratic decision making process which will decide on standard of care policies so it can put together guidelines for practice for every doctor in the country. And guess what, the standard of care in ALL allopathic medical practices is based in the guidelines put forth by the AMA! It is the source that doctors, lawyers and insurance companies look to when there is a malpractice suit. Did the doctor provide the standard of care as decided upon by the AMA? Someone needs to save this video because when the debates turn to health care Santorum will have to be explaining himself.

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  7. This guy has no business hold public office.

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  8. Good for these students for standing up to him and calling him out on his bigotry! I love how when the first young woman tries to interrupt him, he repeats "I'm not hearing this, I'm not hearing this" like is he says it enough she will just shut up and he won't have to hear it! The APA bases their support of same-sex couples raising children based on scientific research into the developmental outcomes of children growing up in these households - the Catholic Church bases their condemnation of LGBT people based on a longstanding tradition of bigotry and homophobia. I would say the APA "opinion" which is actually a fact-based change in that organization's attitudes toward homosexuality over time, holds a lot more water than anything the Church says.

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  9. Yeah the stuff the APA publishes isn't proof of shit Rick. That's not scienctific at all! Fuck this homophobic piece of shit!

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  10. Santorum says, "I believe what the Catholic Church teaches with respect to homosexuality." According to Leviticus 20:13, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

    Since Santorum claims to believe these teachings, does this mean that he would support a law making homosexual acts among men a capital offense in the United States? I want someone to ask him that, point blank. If he doesn't support the death penalty for such acts, then he is lying about believing Catholicism's teachings on this issue. Which is it, Rick?

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  11. Romann - I feel compelled to mention that while the Catholic Church may be no fan of gays, they're also not a fan of Biblical literalism. You'd be hard pressed to find a Catholic who thinks that the message of Christ has anything to do with following Levitican law.

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  12. Nitpicking, maybe, but the Catholic Church permits any priest or bishop to celebrate the Latin Mass - and, indeed, Pope Benedict XVI's motu proprio "Summorum Pontificum" encourages bishops to make it readily available to Catholics who desire to attend it.

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  13. Jocelyn, I completely agree with you that one would be hard-pressed to find a Catholic who would advocate the Levitican route. But that is also kind of my point.

    It troubles me when people, in justifying certain political positions, refer to the Bible as though it were a shining, unimpeachable example of moral law when it is so easy to find passages such as what one sees in Leviticus. As for Jesus, he never mentions homosexuality, so one looking for the Biblical "last word" on the issue only has the draconian Old Testament treatment to choose from.

    A sort of "cafeteria Catholicism"—taking what works for you in the Bible while leaving the rest—has become the norm these days, but there is no getting around the fact that the Bible is the religion's chief doctrinal source book ... and supposedly the inspired, inerrant word of God. If someone's attitude toward gays (or anything else) is influenced by his religion, he should either be prepared to defend what is actually written about the issue in his religion's holy book or admit that scripture got it wrong and abandon the religious justification.

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  14. The annoying part of that was that he was defending the wrong stance which made it obvious that he doesn't listen. She was arguing that his claim that "no one defends the other side" and says that gay marriage isn't ripping apart the fabric of society and religion or something, was wrong. She gave a concrete and legitimate example of a group that argues that it's not hurting anyone. Then he just spends the time arguing that they're wrong and biased, which wasn't even the point.

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  15. "An organization supporting a position is not evidence of benefit to society."

    Kinda' like the Catholic Church's position on homosexuality, huh?

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  16. Because the bibli (see Eddie izzard) is ALL about knowledge; that's why it doesn't say shit about planets.
    Some omnipotent god there......

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  17. It sickens me that Rick Santorum is grouping all Catholics into one intolerant mess. The Church is huge institution with views that go from highly conservative to highly liberal. As an out homosexual, I attended mass for the first twenty-one years of my life. Both the priest and the deacon knew I was gay and accepted me for who I was. A good friend of mine is a priest who is gay (albeit celibate). I recall several occasions where children of gay couples were baptized. Yes, some Catholics are highly intolerant and judgmental. But there are a lot who understand that the human race is full of differences and they accept those. Please don’t give my faith a bad name, Mr. Santorum.

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  18. My favorite part was when he shot down the APA argument saying, "the APA is made up of people who believe in the APA." Oh, you mean in the same way the Catholic church is made up of people who believe in the Catholic church? If his premise is that if you don't support the APA, then nothing they say is valid, then the same holds true for those of us who do not support the Catholic church. Right?

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