Wednesday, February 8, 2012

No, Ron Paul Is Not Better Than Rick Santorum

Ron Paul's supporters are few, but they are vocal. I was surprised, at first, when they appeared on this site (and following us on twitter). I thought, "surely these people are Republicans. What do they want with us?" As I paid closer attention, however, I learned that Ron Paul's supporters are not, for the most part, Republicans (at least not here): they are idiots.

Let me qualify: I'm sure many of their idiocies are temporary and caused by being in college and/or smoking too much weed and/or not understanding the world at all, but they are idiots all the same. AND THEY WON'T LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE.

"But Jocelyn," they say, "you hate Rick Santorum and we hate Rick Santorum. We are allies! Vote for Ron Paul!"

"No," I reply, "you are an idiot."

Seriously, though. Ron Paul is a Santorum-level bigot. He doesn't support a constitutional ban on gay marriage? Big fucking deal. He still supports the rights of states to block marriage equality. He won't even piss in a gay man's bathroom. Do you seriously think he's an ally? Plus there's the whole being a big fucking racist thing. Which actually might be worse than being homophobic. Seriously, what the fuck is he thinking? And why are you supporting him? And why are you telling me that I should too?

For real.

Look, I want to end the war on drugs as much as the next greedy socialist who looks at a sweet bud and sees a shitload of tax money, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to support a guy who doesn't believe in evolution and actually thinks there's a war on Christmas to do it. Plus, you know, my penchant for socialism sort of makes me not like to support libertarians in politics. Weird, I know.

And don't even get me started on that crazy motherfucker's views on abortion. Much like his stance on gay marriage, Paul's stance on reproductive rights is to leave it up to the states. This is because he knows that Americans hate abortion perhaps even more than they hate gay marriage, and if you leave that shit up to the states you will have like five states that allow it. That is not okay. I don't believe in single-issue voting but I cannot compromise on reproductive rights. If I get knocked up tomorrow because I got drunk enough to be as stupid as a Ron Paul supporter and fucked some rando without a condom, I want to get an abortion. Because I work three hours a week for $8.65/hr and that is not baby-having money and fuck you very much but I'd much rather have an abortion than know that my kid is out being raised by some other people who might support Ron Paul.

"But Jocelyn," you will say (or "Dan," because like half of you still think I'm Dan Savage even though I'm clearly less clever. And employed...), "how can you be so mean as to call people stupid for their political beliefs. That's fascism."

"Well, random person," I'll reply, "that's actually not fascism at all and you're a fucking idiot for saying it is."

I call these people idiots not because I know anything about their cognitive abilities, but because they've allowed themselves to be duped into believing two things: 1) that libertarianism is a real thing that will make good things happen, when in fact it's the dumbest thing that will make dumb things happen, and 2) that Ron Paul is a defender of civil liberty, when he really is not. Because liberty means access to reproductive healthcare (or, in fact, any healthcare), protection from racist bigots, and having a goddamn fucking military to fight for you when shit gets rough. Also, we have to pay taxes. Get over it.

(Big thanks to commenter Jack for linking to this piece, which inspired me to call y'all a bunch of idiots. And if you see Jack, could you please inform him that he is my new boyfriend. Because not liking Ron Paul is actually my only requirement for a boyfriend.)

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  1. Your argument stands on a shaky foundation. Ron Paul is not, in fact, racist, it was some of his supporters who were responsible for the incendiary rhetoric associated with him. Plus, even if Paul does have some bias against gays and certain ethnic groups, he is committed to not letting it affect his politics. In your own example, though he did not want to use a gay mans bathroom for personal beliefs, he still was friends with him and showed no hatred (something you fail to do towards those who think differently than yourself)
    This will be the last time I visit this website, you are clearly no less close minded than those you scrutinize.

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    1. He may not be a racist on principle, but he allowed the publication of racist materials in his name and has advocated for the repeal of the civil rights act.

      White people thinking black people are dumb or criminals is not really the big problem with racism in America. The big problem with racism in America is that the institution is rigged against blacks. Plain and simple. Anyone who wants to make it worse is a racist, whether they mean to be or not.

      As for showing no hatred to the gays, again the problem is with the system more than people's personal views. We need a strong ally, not someone who's wishy-washy at best.

      Look, I knew we'd lose some fans for this, but I thought long and hard about it and I don't want Ron Paul's people to be my people. So I can deal with your departure. Goodbye.

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    3. I think you need to get your facts straight; Ron Paul has called for the end of the "war on drugs" BECAUSE it is racially inequitable, particularly towards blacks.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/27/ron-paul-drugs-drug-war_n_1170878.html

      And how can you say we have a system that is rigged against blacks, when we have a BLACK PRESIDENT?

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    4. You're right. We have a black president, so racism is over. That's why the Tea Party exists.

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    5. Jocelyn, people tend to mindlessly attach themselves to a leader and attribute god-like qualities to said leader. It's a vestigial remnant of our evolutionary past, when blindly adhering to leadership was essential for survival in compromising environments. He can do no wrong, no matter how blatantly offensive his actions are. For example, Ron Paul attacked the Americans with Disabilities Act. As someone who grew up alongside a quadriplegic sister, I can tell you for a fact that she would not even be able to take public transportation if it wasn't for the ADA mandating wheelchair accessibility. You'd think people would dismiss Paul as a crazy empathy-deficient shithead just like I did, but there's nothing rational about human nature.

      Just as the right used the word "God" to pander to low-information voters, Paul is using the same strategy; just replace "God" with "pot," and the paulbots are activated. Honestly, after that latest Anonymous debacle with the whole white supremacy thing, you have to be brain dead to take Paul seriously.

      http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/02/01/ron-paul-exposed-as-white-supremacist-by-anonymous/

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    6. Jocelyn, if you read the Civil Rights Act it restricts freedom more than it permits it. Nothing established by big government will grant you rights because your rights are innate as a human being. The Constitution explicitly states that we are all created equal. Allowing the government decide what all the states do undermines individual choice and in essence our freedom. It's quite obvious by the numerous posts I've read as I scroll down this page that your are quite uneducated and have little real evidence to support any of your claims. Furthermore, if you believe Obama really cares about the future of this country you are blind. Seriously, please do your research, ignorance is not bliss.

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    8. "The big problem with racism in America is that the institution is rigged against blacks. Plain and simple."

      well no... it's not that simple is it... nevermind that there is no evidence to suggest any sort of "rigged system against blacks"... but also you don't even bother delving into exactly what this system DOES... its an empty statement with spurious allegations.

      You still have it all to prove or at the very least explain...

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  3. I'm glad you're standing up against Paul. I swear it's like no internet person is ever willing to criticize him. Libertarianism clearly doesn't protect people. I'm glad that the federal government makes poisoning food illegal, pays money to disabled people, and that they attempt to protect our money from risky bank practices (FDIC) and that is just three examples! The fed certainly isn't perfect, but getting rid of them is just a stupid knee-jerk response. It's the same reason why I gave up believing in anarchism, it's completely ridiculous!

    The point of this website is to oppose the homophobic Santorum, but when your response to oppose a homophobe is to support another homophobe then that makes no sense whatsoever!!

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  4. Jocelyn U are a fool! I am not a fan of Ron Paul's stance on Abortion or Gun control. But he is the only Republican that is not gung ho about stoping gay marriage. He believes that States can decide their own laws and believes that if two people that love each other don't need the government to allow or forbid their union. And when did Obama come out for Marriage equality? Also the Obama administration is just as beholden to the Military Industrial Complex as the Bush administration. Ron Paul wants us to cut all foreign entanglements. 1) we cannot afford it; 2) do U honestly think that being over in the middle east is endearing us to the locals?

    Don't get me wrong Obama is a million times better than Santorum or Romney but he is a politician, Paul is refreshingly honest and incorruptible by lobbyists (Isreali lobby, Oil companies, Teachers unions etc).

    How many times does he have to say that he did not write nor know of those newsletter articles? I guess all U need is the headline and you are satisfied with the mainstream media's (Fox, CNN & NBC) take on it?

    Do you think by calling Ron Paul supporters idiots for the 3rd time that it will finally sink in and they will go: "Oh yeah U have convinced me... i must be an idiot"! You are the idiot not to know to focus your aggression on the true haters and jesus freaks like Santorum and Bachmann that have exploited the fear of the gay agenda to propel them into the mindless hearts of the Christian Right. The thing about being smart is to know the battles that are worth fighting and who is more of an ally than a foe. Ron Paul is an ally for those that do not fear liberty.

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    1. Alas, I may be a fool, but not on this topic. I don't care how blase he is about gay marriage if he's opposed to reproductive rights. Which he is. That's kind of a deal breaker for me.

      And as for "foreign entanglements," we can't exactly abandon them and expect to get away with it. Obama is shrinking our military presence in the Middle East at a sustainable level, and that's more than enough for me.

      I don't really care who he gets his money from if he's supporting policies that I believe will hurt the country. He can be as independent-minded as he wants: he's still a kook, and he's not at all an ally.

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    2. Obama hasn't shrunk shit http://warisacrime.org/content/panetta-military-spending-going

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  5. Why is it so fun to read Ron Paul fans rabidly defend their withered, hateful, Randian hero?

    http://www.vice.com/read/yeah-ron-paul-is-racist-after-all-sorry

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    1. yeah that story was total bullshit. anonymous likes ron paul. Will Beamish your are a mainstream media whore and your not even getting paid.

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    2. wow, links up a vice mag article... I applaud the fact that you even know who ron paul is despite what must be a significant case of undereducation for you...

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  6. "I hate black people"- Jocelyn

    I read on your own website a quote saying you hate black people. Therefore, you hate black people. Case closed. I'm not going to listen to you say that you did not write it and you completely disagree with it.

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  8. What's up with everyone and their growing arguments on racism, abortion and gay marriage?! This argument has been washed up for years in my opinion, and quite frankly it's getting on my nerves. Especially now that there are other matters that are many times greater than the argument you're people are giving. And to the non-supports of Ron- ... is this the only propaganda you have to dish out against him?

    I'm speaking to all of you on this, not just Jocelyn. No matter who you're supporting. I strongly recommend letting gay marriage, racism, abortion or any of those matters that are less agreeable in our collective rest aside. Put those last, because if you don't- that will be one of the disheartening and deadly factors that is keeping us from America's recovery.

    Within all of these arguments, people will find a way to do what they want to do with or without the laws.

    Open your eyes and realize that the problems that we need to focus on are the economic crisis, printing dummy money, ALL of our troops coming home, cutting the budget without hurting Americans, acknowledging and TAKING ACTION at the way the government gets away with every single day (like scribbling over our 2nd, and 4th amendment.) and SO much more that I'm SURE most of us will put differences to the side, find a common ground and stop being cheated and deceived and stand TOGETHER. Lets stop fearing and have power and a decent common ground.

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    1. I think Ron Paul is racist and anti-gay. But that is not the only reason why I dislike him so much. I dislike him because I think that libertarianism is completely misguided. He argues that the economic crisis wouldn't have happened if the economy could regulate itself. But that's simply false.

      The economic crisis happened because banks were giving loans to people who shouldn't be seeking loans because they couldn't afford them and then would package a bunch of bad loans and sell them as packages of shit to other lenders.

      The government does not come into play at all in that explanation. And the 2008 recession is just an example of why we need the government and why I pay taxes and why I vote to increase taxes.

      And another problem, why is the federal government the evil fuckin empire but the state is jesus christ incarnate? If the federal government is inherently flawed because it restricts freedom then any government is flawed.

      Ron Paul's racism and homophobia is just icing on the poison cake.

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    2. That is a bunch of crap it is completely government's fault for picking winners and losers and allowing a modified capitalism.

      Don't believe me than look up the Community Reinvestment Act. If people don't want banks to invest their deposits, then find a bank that doesn't do it...don't have the government pass an "act" that forces banks to be separate. Also, as far as I know, only ONE bank that failed did whatever Glass-Steagal said they shouldn't and that was Citigroup. Chase, Bank of America, Countrywide, etc, did not have investment wings. This is a mortgage bubble, not some investment issue. There is so much misinformation out there from government Statistics.

      And as for Paul being raciest or a homophobe? How come he is the only one standing up for the constitution where all men are created equal under the eyes of the law? America is supposed to be a free nation where one can practice their own religion, sexuality and live under your own beliefs. Do you forget this is what our country was founded on and why we revolted against the British? Get the facts right before trying to make everyone look bad when your just really misinformed.

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    3. What? Why were the banks giving home loans to people who couldnt afford them? Community reinvestment act. Please do just a little research before you open your yap. You look stupid.

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  9. You lost all credibility when you called Ron Paul racist.

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  10. Ron Paul?

    Where do I start?

    I watch TV every election night, and whether he wins (well, actually, he hasn't yet) or loses, he delivers largely the same rambling, crazy old coot speech yelling at the kids to take their frisbee, and get the $%ck of my lawn!

    He's not even a pure Libertarian. He's simply saying that the power of the Federal government to deliver your mail, defend us against Iranian mullahs, and peek in our bedrooms, should instead devolve to the States. If Mississippi wants to ban abortion, block gay marriage, and substitute a hereditary monarchy in place of a governor, so be it.

    He's not even Ayn Rand; he's the late Strom Thurmond, reborn. "State's rights" all the way.

    Jon

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  11. I love the front page of your site... the rest is garbage. How can you say all Ron Paul supporters are idiots when your the one saying your "OK" with Romney. I don't agree with everything Paul says but he is an honest politician, that's something you don't see. He is consistent and is the best candidate for the job. Not only is he an economist but he is the ONLY ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS the constitution. Frankly if you don't want to live in a country that abides by it's original rules then get the fuck out and live in a socialist country!

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    1. Original rules?

      Like, Native Americans are not citizens, and slavery is legal, and in terms of congressional and presidential elections, slaves count as 3/5ths of a person, even though they can't vote?

      Sounds good to me. Can I put you in a wicker basket and set you on fire as an offering to the Moon Goddess?

      Hell, if it was good enough for the Druids, it should be good enough for you and me.

      Original rules.

      It has a nice sound.

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    2. btw, the Moon Goddess sacrifice would be on the next Winter Solstice, so you have many months to select appropriate attire!

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    3. I'm not an anarchist nor a pagan. I'm a man in favor of a small government as our country was founded. I'm for a constitutional republic that allows for checks and balances.

      Slavery was a horrible law. Bad laws get put on the books all the time, democracy is 51% of the people telling 49% what to do. This is why we have the constitution and judicial system.

      As for sacrifice to the "moon goddess" that constitutes violence which should be enforced by state governments.

      What is so crazy about that?

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    4. Slavery was legal according to the original rules of the Constitution? Thanks for the laugh. Explain then how slavery was not a violation of the Bill of rights. Explain how slavery was not unusual punishment which is prohibited by the 8th amendment. Did slaves have the right to bear arms? If so then they were stupid for remaining slaves instead of arming and defending themselves. How about free speech rights? None of them had the right to protest their slavery?

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    6. It does not say in the Constitution, that the bill of rights can be applied selectively to any one Sex, group, race, religion or creed over any other Sex, group, race, religion or creed.

      A Constitutional Republic is what this country was founded upon and now, as proper, it disallows the Majority from discriminating against the Minority regardless of Race and your opinion.
      As per the Constitution today, Slavery is not legal.
      Your argument as such is irrelevant. We are not living back then and returning to and following the Constitution would no more legalize Slavery than it would murder of a fellow citizen.
      Your argument is absurd at best.

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  14. The author of this post clearly has no idea of what she is talking about and is simply parroting back what the media tells her. Try some of your own ideas sometime instead of going on about nonsensical liberal media induced propaganda! Ron Paul first of all is not a racist and is the only potential president who actually stands behind individual liberty, which has traditionally been the most valued and precious of all our rights in the Constitution. The author states that it "is not okay" for the states to take a vote and decide whether or not its citizens want to have abortion or gay marriage, since the majority of the states would vote against them according to her. So the only assumption is that she thinks the opposite is okay. How is it more correct to have a federally mandated act coercively forcing every citizen, including the dissenting majority, to comply rather than following a democratic process and giving each state and individual region more freedom?
    As for his being racist, I agree to your comment about the system being rigged against minorities, however you were incorrect in stating that Ron Paul would cause more institutional injustices since he will do the exact opposite. One of the most racist policies in our government is the War On Drugs, in which African Americans and Hispanics suffer way disproportionately in. Paul is the only candidate with the common sense to oppose this inhumane war that is overcrowding our prisons. He opposes the death penalty since it unfairly targets on the poor minorities meanwhile the rich and white can often get off easier. As a libertarian, Ron Paul sees each person not as a demographic but rather as a unique individual with equal rights, therefore making him the Anti-Racist. He opposes affirmative action since instead of making a color blind society with the minorities having more equality as intended it in fact created a more stratified and less equal system. Would it not be easier for everyone with racial prejudices to simply let them go if every race was treated the same and none of them were shown special treatment?

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    1. It's also worthwhile to note that Ron Paul changed his stance on the death penalty (one of the only times he has changed position on a major issue) because he saw that it was used unfairly against minorities.

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  15. Those pushing for either extreme whether it be Obama's socialistic tendencies or Santorum's warmongering babble are going to regret not voting for Ron Paul in the near future. If any of the other potential candidates win whether it be Barack, Mitt, Rick or Newt, we all better be prepared for the shit to hit the fan since our economy is simply going to get a lot worse before any substantial growth. This is not irreversible yet, as long as the size of the government does not keep increasing at an exponential rate along with our debt. Ron Paul and his libertarian policy is the only one with viable and sensible solutions. He intends to give us back the freedoms we have lost along with cutting the heavy chains that link us to this monster of a federal government. Importantly he will end the Federal Reserve System that is probably the key culprit in our economic problems. It keeps the American people in constant debt with the invisible tax they put on the inflated cash the Fed sells to our government and we taxpayers have to pay for it. So not only are they screwing us by printing unlimited amounts of dollar bills that are backed by nothing but the paper on their backs, but then they proceed to place a tax that we cannot see on this disservice. Apart from this the Fed also fixes interest rates disrupting a market that is intended to be free and therefore causes disequilibrium and disasters such as the housing bubble pop of 08.
    Another key difference between Ron Paul and the other candidates is that he is the only one that would end crony capitalism and reduce the power of the executive branch! Obama, despite being a liberal and self acclaimed man of the people, is bought out by corporations and interest groups and he will sway whichever way they want him to. Romney is in the same boat as our president in sucking corporate and lobbyist dick and flip-flopping on their views and statements like any "good" politician would. Apart from that, each president since FDR has simply been snowballing power for the executive branch and have done horrible things such as wars that have simply been regarded as executive orders. We have not officially been in a war since WWII, despite the fact we've been in a constant state of war ever since. This is due to the ridiculous and unconstitutional amount of power the executive branch has. And each president that gets elected simply starts taking more power for themselves and none of them have given any back. We have reached a point where they have taken too much and are no longer being held accountable for their actions. Ron Paul is the only person I have ever heard of that is running for president and is calling to reduce the size of the executive branch. This and his consistent voting record tells us a lot about his strong moral character, a trait seldom if hardly ever seen in a politician. Obama has brought about minimal change and has maintained the bulk of harmful policies and added a few of his own along with trillions more dollars in debt. This is the same that all the contemporary presidents have done whether they be Democrat or Republican.
    The real and positive change will come about in the Ron Paul Revolution. This 180 flip to our intended form of government as stated in the Constitution and by our founding fathers will result in increased liberty, economic growth by limiting restrictions on trade and by paying off our debt instead of wasting money in our inefficient foreign policy, respect around the world due to a non-interventionist policy, and overall a more functional society that evaded worse economic implications simply by going for the common sense choice of Ron Paul.

    LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION!!!!!!

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    1. Brevity is the soul of wit.

      I appreciate your general sentiments with regard to individual liberty, but please don't pretend Paul is the perfect candidate. He's a bit kooky.

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    2. "kooky" is not a substantive claim; it is nonsensical and has no definiens

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    3. Wrong. It's substantive. A kook is an "eccentric, strange, or foolish person".

      Ron Paul doesn't believe in evolution. That is incredibly foolish, given the evidence. He has a few other eccentricities as well.

      Overall, he's the best person in the Republican field, and his views on liberty and economics matter to me most. But he's still a bit kooky.

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  16. Paulbots and Randroids - go learn something.

    Libertarians:
    world.std.com/~mhuben/faq.html

    Paulbots:
    http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/whyaust.htm

    Objectivists:
    You're beyond hope.

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    1. Go learn about "The broken window fallacy" for a 1 minute session in your own ignorance.

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  17. He's climbing in your windows and snatching your people up !!! Man that song is so catchy, it's harder to get out of my head than santorum !

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  18. Never had you figured for one of those holier-than-thou "everyone who disagrees with my politics is an idiot" types.

    But that's pretty common among statists. Not particularly rational.

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  19. Absolutely hilarious! You should get like an award for this. I can see that you have the Paulbots up in arms, but that's OK. Keep up the excellent writing!

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  20. Let me qualify? Do you mean "Let me clarify"? Way to call people idiots..

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    1. Nope. Meant 'qualify.' There are actually three definitions of 'qualify' (from the American Heritage Dictionary) that mean what I meant:

      "To describe by enumerating the characteristics or qualities of; characterize."

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      "To modify, limit, or restrict, as by giving exceptions."

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      "To make less harsh or severe; moderate."

      Just because you don't know what words mean does not mean that I don't either.

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    2. I like how you choose to respond to this comment rather than the ones pointing out how misinformed you are.

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    3. Considering my argument is based on stuff Ron Paul has actually done and said, I didn't see the point in arguing with those. Obviously those people have been brainwashed by the alternative media.

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  21. whoever wrote this article is uninformed and quite frankly an idiot. Ron Paul not against gay marriage and is definitely not a racist. Do some research and then write something instead of putting this trash out there.

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  22. Jocelyn, if you cannot support a child, you have no business having unprotected sex. Every 6th grader knows that.

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  23. stop being so selfish jocelyn. there ARE bigger issues than your uterus.

    thousands of american soldiers killed overseas. millions of americans out of work. new laws restricting more american freedoms every year in the name of "the war on terror".

    honestly america has very little choice. change or die. EVERYTHING has to adapt to changing conditions or become obsolete. china will probably be the new "world superpower" soon. hopefully we can find a way to live in that world.

    i agree that everyone should have the right to the healthcare they choose but only IF they can pay for it (america obviously cant afford to cover everyones bill right now). i support gay marriage as well but not as a platform for some politician to use to get elected. gay people and unborn babies are not goddamn government issues they are PERSONAL issues, and that is what i like about Ron Paul.

    obviously he isnt perfect. hell, he's not even considered a real candidate by most major news outlets, but in my opinion, he seems honest, reasonable, and unwilling to play the same political games as the rest of them.

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    1. Ok i need to apologize for one thing. I don't mean to belittle women's right to control their own bodies. I'm sorry for the part about your uterus issues.

      However, I said that because the thought of paying for your abortion with tax money after you "got drunk enough to be as stupid as a Ron Paul supporter and fucked some rando without a condom" really pisses me off.

      But, perhaps you actually intended to pay for your own abortion with your "three hours a week for $8.65/hr" job.

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  24. Jocelyn, you need to understand that you are not as smart as you think you are. I have always been so intrigued at how the people with the lowest intelect always think they are so smart. Ad hominim attacks... Oh, I'm sorry... ignoring someone's argument and calling them a very bad name instead, this usually means that you don't have a real argument and/or don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Also, see how the word fuck, when used sparingly, can be very effectivly to punctuate an idea or feeling, but when you direct it at an individual, or group of individuals over and over again in a hysterical tirade, well, it just makes you seem like a cunt faced whore, you fat fucking cunt. See what I mean?

    Well, you obviously know nothing about what you are so critical of so its useless to debate. You did change my opinion on one thing though, its definitely too bad your bitch of a mother didn't head down to the Dr. to have you scrambled up and vacumed on out of there, it would have made the world a better place I'm sure.

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  25. Jocelyn, you need to understand that you are not as smart as you think you are. I have always been so intrigued at how the people with the lowest intelect always think they are so smart. Ad hominim attacks... Oh, I'm sorry... ignoring someone's argument and calling them a very bad name instead, this usually means that you don't have a real argument and/or don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Also, see how the word fuck, when used sparingly, can be very effectivly to punctuate an idea or feeling, but when you direct it at an individual, or group of individuals over and over again in a hysterical tirade, well, it just makes you seem like a cunt faced whore, you fat fucking cunt. See what I mean?

    Well, you obviously know nothing about what you are so critical of so its useless to debate. You did change my opinion on one thing though, its definitely too bad your bitch of a mother didn't head down to the Dr. to have you scrambled up and vacumed on out of there, it would have made the world a better place I'm sure.

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  26. Jocelyn, you need to understand that you are not as smart as you think you are. I have always been so intrigued at how the people with the lowest intelect always think they are so smart. Ad hominim attacks... Oh, I'm sorry... ignoring someone's argument and calling them a very bad name instead, this usually means that you don't have a real argument and/or don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Also, see how the word fuck, when used sparingly, can be very effectivly to punctuate an idea or feeling, but when you direct it at an individual, or group of individuals over and over again in a hysterical tirade, well, it just makes you seem like a cunt faced whore, you fat fucking cunt. See what I mean?

    Well, you obviously know nothing about what you are so critical of so its useless to debate. You did change my opinion on one thing though, its definitely too bad your bitch of a mother didn't head down to the Dr. to have you scrambled up and vacumed on out of there, it would have made the world a better place I'm sure.

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    1. Ha! James, baby, you posted that three times. Did you mean to, or is the Internet just too hard for you?

      I am not a nice person, that's for sure; nor am I a particularly good person (though I hope, perhaps, to be one someday). I am definitely, however, a smart person, which is why I have such a hard time understanding Ron Paul's appeal...

      Because he's an idiot and everyone who likes him is an idiot and me being frank about that doesn't mean that I'm an idiot too. Sorry.

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    2. Interesting; He's an "idiot"; an ad-hominem attack that shifts the argument from substance to non-sense. That's your backing? Truly Rick Santorum-esque. Logicians call that hypocrisy.

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    3. Leftists are unable to express even a minimal credible argument. All they are able to do is engage in grade-school name-calling.

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  27. Someone who presents fallacies as the reason they are "wrong" is as ignorant as.. Rick Santorum.

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  28. Oh sure he thinks gay marriage is fine;

    Oh sure he's the only one talking about racism in the court systems;

    Oh sure he's the only one that doesn't believe in killing "brown people"

    But if I hurl a bunch of unattributed nonsensical sensationalist emotionally driven terminology; That makes me feel better about supporting my current position rather than actually intellectually challenging myself.

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  29. ron paul is against federal government defining marriage. ron paul is against all un declared wars( every war since ww2). he voted against dadt. he has publicly defended gays on evangelical radio(youtube look it up). he is NOT a racist and is against the war on drugs and wars over seas, both of which unfairly effect minorities(rp has pointed this out publicly for decades). if you think obama is going to do something special for gay rights, and he's waiting for his second term to do it, you are going to be sorely disappointed. remember when obama said the first thing he was gonna do was bring the troops home? yea he didn't. seriously, dont count ron paul out until you listen to the mans words and look at his voting record. and please dont listen to or echo the mainstream media, you sound just like them in their crusade against the great dr ron paul.

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  30. ron paul doesn't believe in evolution (he's 76 for fuck sake) or federal tax dollars being used for abortion ( because he personally delivered 4000 babies), so lets vote for endless war and perpetual debt and indefinite inflation. that makes sense right? we're all SO smart now right? fucking sheep.

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  31. I am a first-time visitor and have no idea which way this blog leans. I just heard Santorum had a 'Google problem' and decided to check it out. What I did not expect was yet another leftist frothing at the mouth about Ron Paul. I'll keep ad hominem to a minimum, though I am aggravated.

    Ron Paul is entirely correct and consistent with the Constitution when it comes to gay marriage and abortion. His preference for delegating these decisions to the states is not bigotry, and you are extremely foolish for equating his policy with Santorum's. What Ron Paul is doing, as Ron Paul has always done, is abide by the Constitution.

    The 10th Amendment, if you've never read it, says, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." It's an idea called Federalism, and it produces all kinds of good. You might be aware that, because of federalism, a bunch of states can decriminalize or regulate marijuana, despite a government prohibition on the plant. Similarly, states are free to ban or prohibit substances.

    This is extremely important, though it may not be immediately obvious to you. But let's consider the reason this website was created. Santorum said he would support a federal ban on gay marriage. Ron Paul is advocating the express opposite of that. It is not the (proper) role of the government to manage private contracts between individuals, such as marriage. It should not apply values to such things. Delegating this to the states empowers people, and prevents the government from decided whether or not people of the same sex should or should not marry.

    Your fear of states banning gay marriage is most unfounded, and I doubt you live in one of the states that MIGHT do that. Many states already have or are making efforts to legalize it at a state level. I'm not aware of any state efforts to ban it outright. But perhaps that's not enough. You, Jocelyn, will not be happy until your values are imposed on everyone. And that puts you in the same camp as Santorum.

    That's the meat and potatoes of my reply. But I'm going to rattle off a few other things, because your post is filled with nonsense. Ron Paul has responded the racism thing many times. It's not news, it's not excusable, and it clearly has nothing to do with his philosophy or voting record. Some people are able to distance their personal tastes from their code of values and morality. If Paul is, privately, a homophobe or racist, it doesn't show in his voting record. Maybe you think we need Thought Police™, but we don't. If he doesn't want to take a shit in a gay man's bathroom, who cares?

    Libertarianism is in fact a 'real thing' and is all about protecting your civil liberties. Speaking of which, I guess you're a New Dealer, because civil liberty has nothing to do with access to healthcare, protection from bigots (I assume you mean insulation from speech you disagree with), or the military. Taxes are another issue, but to quickly respond: Taxation is theft, particularly income taxation. So that IS an issue of liberty.

    That's all. I would suggest to you, Jocelyn, that you give yourself more time to compose a blog post in the future, and that you spend some time reflecting on your views and applying the rigors of logic thoroughly, in order to root out the weaknesses. I understand your level of self-control and perhaps, self-respect is rather low (barely employed, object of ridicule for insufferable socialist views, inability to use contraceptives)*, but you should know nothing on the internet ever goes away. So think before you his the post button.

    *That was a joke. I had to ad hominem a little, for balance.

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  32. This is awkward. I agree with you on most of your points except I'm afraid you should be waving the idiot banner too. Painting all libertarians with the same brush (especially those who are closer to classical liberals, and likely wouldn't agree with Ron Paul on many points) is just as ignorant the Ron Paul supporters you're talking about.

    There are plenty of shades to libertarianism including socialist libertarianism and considering they are all over the world; aren't necessarily states rights retards who masturbate to the first 10 amendments to the US Constitution. Other than that keep fighting the good fight.

    P.S. I hope the irony of a socialist who supports the military-industrial complex isn't lost on you.

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  33. You people have lied yourselves into irrelevance.

    In The Beginning, the premise of your website was useful: that the homophobic statements made by Santorum were disgraceful and revealing of his true self. Further, his continued voting record of big-spending and big government was anthitetical to his supposed Republican base of support. His mixing of religion and government represents pandering to a narrow but determined minority whose religious-state agenda is a genuine threat to freedom and the genuine conservative movement. The good citizens of Pennsylvania, certainly not a Massachusetts-style left-wing population, eventually woke up and voted overwhelmingly to eject him from office. Your website exposed - in a semi-humorous way - the danger that such politicians pose to the country, but now seems ineffective as Santorum marches to one primary victory after another.

    Consider, then, that your continued bashing and misrepresentation of Ron Paul renders your blog, website and statements fatally not credible, not believable and irrelevant. It consists of nothing more than arrogant, closed-minded, mean-spirited, publishing grade-school name-calling and twisting of long-past events. An example being that poster child presented here who cannot render minimally proper English sentences truly represents the failed union- controlled education system of this country.

    You people fail to recognize true freedom and liberty. Have you bothered to read any of Dr. Paul's books, listen to a speech (many available on C-Span website archives) or visit his website? You people can go blathering along your merry way while Obama spends the country into bankruptcy and we turn into Greece. And if you people think four more years of an Obama dictatorship will improve your situation, then that status becomes one of useful idiots.

    The "gay agenda" is becoming abundantly clear. It is not about dignity, respect, freedom to marry, adopting children, etc. That's just a subterfuge. It is all about imposing the same tired, failed socialist welfare state that ultimately enslaves and impoverishes its people. The OWS agenda. There are still a few left who will stand against such tyranny and Ron Paul is one of them.

    BTW, how did this "Jocelyn" become a Savage spokesperson? Does Danny have any idea what she is publishing under his name and for which he is accountable?

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  34. Please focus your attention on the entity that seeks to oppress and destroy the true american principle of equality and freedom. This should not be the jocelyn show. Nobody givesa fuck about you to be honest. Be a good administrator and cut the ego. I am not a ron pistil supporter, I am a santorum hater. if I wanted to know about the belief system of jocelyn, I would read your blog. Then again I wouldn't because I don't care. Nobody does. So shut the fuck up, quit tainting a good idea, and stay in the background where you belong.

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  35. Ron paul that is... My phone is obsessed the word "pistil". but the fact remains: this site should publish criticism of santorum as he spreads his brand of hatred. Rational people should be able to visit this site and feel assured in their conviction (or suspicion) that the man is a prejudiced douche. when some opinionated random lady starts using the site to preach her fringe socialist beliefs (a word that, to my amazement, has become as evocative in american politics as "nazi") it becomes easy to dismiss. Just look at all us left leaning people saying "damn lady you are way too out-there for me" I am personally okay with your extremist ideas and think they mostly hold merit, but can't you see??? You are hurting the cause! this site is bigger than you, and it is astonishing that dan savage isn't regulating. You are helping to make gay rights a fringe issue by using this site as a forum for your belief system . It is arrogant and self serving . like I said, nobody cares what you think, shut the fuck up and allow us to unite in fighting bigotry and leave the rest to your journal

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  36. What about Ron Paul's endorsement of and fundraising for openly gay senator Rick Sincere back in 1993 or 94 or thereabouts?

    http://ricksincerethoughts.blogspot.com/2008/01/question-was-answered-six-years-ago.html

    Calling Ron Paul as bad as Rick Santorum is ridiculous. If Ron Paul had his way, government would be out of marriage and everyone would be free to live the lifestyle they wish to live; we'd have equality by default. If Rick Santorum had his way, we'd be back to dealing with sodomy laws. Yet you'd go as far as to say you'd have no preference for Ron Paul over Rick Santorum? What kind of gay rights activist are you?

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  37. Wow I feel dumber after reading this post. I wish I could get the last few minutes of my life back. Jocelyn, people like you are the reason this world is so fucked up. I'd tell you why but you are so far gone it isn't worth my time. Please go do humanity a favor and cease your existence, good day.

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    1. Really so the people responsible for the problems of the planet are not the following:

      Greedy Rich People
      Idiot Politicians
      Creationists
      Racists
      Criminals
      Dictators
      People that disgree with civil rights/womens rights
      people that follow Violent religions/belief systems

      Instead a women with the view that being racist and homophibic is wrong even if your slighty less so then your fellow republicans. Is the one responsible for the wrongs of the world or even just america. Statements like that kinda prove her point about pro ron paul guys you're a bunch of idiots.

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    2. Please don't group me with this guy...

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  38. You're not Dan Savage? Now I feel like an idiot. Agree vis-a-vis Ron Paul, Though Paul himself is certainly not dumb. It's also a little unfair to judge him because of rumors. I have a certain respect for his honesty and unwillingness to compromise his views, but really in a global society we live in, where a cow farting in Argentina drowns an island in the pacific, his views are more dangerous than santorum. (p.s. why does the spell checker underline santorum?).

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  39. Huh. 8 likes, and 68 comments telling you how much of an imbecile you are, quite eloquently.

    You might want to take a hint.

    Also, you never did go to college did you? You know what you remind me of? Have you ever seen that episode of American Dad about gay republicans?

    You should.

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  40. Last time I ever visit this site... You've basically proven that you're more stupid than anyone you're trying to criticize, Jocelyn. Mind-numbingly stupid.

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  41. Jocelyn, I like this site, but please don't drag it down by turning it into another partisan hack site where everybody has to toe some particular political line of your preference. This is supposed to be about fighting Rick Santorum (I specify "Rick" here so as not to be confused with the OTHER kind), and that is what everyone who contributes here has in common, no matter what their political stripe. Yes, even Libertarians hate what Santorum stands for, for a lot of the same reasons you do. Don't let this degenerate into an us v them over a bunch of side issues that have nothing to do with Santorum. Additionally, please take it easy with the throwing around the blanket "idiots!" namecalling crap. Just because you disagree with someone does not make him an idiot, it simply means you disagree. I doubt even most Ron Paul supporters (I'm not one BTW, jus' sayin') agree with everything that Paul says, but they do like the wide swath of his message, which includes the notion of less government intrusion into people's personal lives. It doesn't make them "idiots" or "dumb" just because you choose to focus on particular specific details that they prefer to overlook for the sake of the larger message.

    Let's focus on Santorum here, and not get caught up in general bashing of everybody who doesn't have a perfect platform.

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  42. Hey Ron Paul fans,

    Don't you ever question why nobody takes you seriously on the left?

    It's not because your hero was once part of a paleo-con initiative to attract redneck voters - though that's definitely a stain.

    It's not because we "hate freedom!" - that's the terrists, remember?

    The problem is Ron Paul's adherence to "Austrian Economics" - which refuses the rigors of social science and math, which is why it's not taught in 99.9% of universities. Seriously, you could get a PHD in Econ from every Ivy League school in the USA and never hear the names "Mises" or "Rothbard."

    In summary:
    If you don't appreciate social science, liberals generally won't appreciate you.

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    1. Are you KIDDING ME?! Austrian Economics withstands FAR MORE scrutiny than your precious Keynesian theories that have failed OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN in history. It's absolutely nutty to me that you would see failure, and choose to repeat the same actions in order to obtain success. I believe someone with a fair bit of intelligence said that was the definition of insanity...

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  43. Jocelyn, I was planning on writing a long dissertation in objection to your Ron Paul comments, but I decided your not worth my time and a simple FUCK YOU was appropriate.

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  44. 'and 2) that Ron Paul is a defender of civil liberty, when he really is not.'
    LMAO! You're right. He doesn't believe in civil liberty, he believes in civil LIBERTIES jackass!

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  45. You obviously have a shallow view of the world and don't look beyond the opinions of the media elite to form your own. Ron Paul is not a racist. The notion is absurd. It shows you know absolutely nothing about the man.

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  46. People still think ron paul is racist?
    And they think ron paul supporters are the idiots?
    Lol.

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  47. No hesitation the plight of homosexuals is on the top of the list of social problems professed in the EU because this week a meeting is taking place in Europe to address the fact that not everyone is getting onboard with the "gay agenda. Homophobia, transphobia and other forms of sexual orientation discrimination is said to still exist in the EU on a larger scale than the Union wants to see.

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